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  Russell Ziegler

  05/05/2013 10:56 PM

  Follow the laws already on the books.Secure the border. Take a look at the immigration laws of Mexico. Take a lesson from their gov't. Let them go home and come back the right way. Our country cannot support our own people.The executive branch is responsible for Enforcement, they have not.Listen to the border control, they deal with this. Do not let the administration pick and choose the laws they don't like or fit their agenda.

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  Ken DuLac

  05/05/2013 10:46 PM

  First, I will not scream about amnesty – while I don’t agree with it, it looks like it is a foregone conclusion that some form of it will happen. I also believe that this country has shifted so far left that it is almost impossible to win a national election based on conservative values so I will swallow and accept that compromises will happen.
  Second, I don’t believe any PROMISE that is made by the government. We have been tricked so many times with fancy words and sleight of hand that any legislation must be in clear language which NORMAL citizens can understand and must have iron clad, measureable and incremental goals. No moving to step two until step one is finished and measured by a truly non-partisan group.
  (2) COMPREHENSIVE SOUTHERN BORDER SECURITY STRATEGY.—The term ‘‘Comprehensive South-
  ern Border Security Strategy’’ means the strategy to achieve and maintain an effectiveness rate of 90
  Percent or higher in all high risk border sectors.
  This is pure cowardice; we don’t trust the administration and especially the Secretary to be honest so why would we trust her to develop an honest strategy. Define the strategy in this law, no more ObamaCare like passing the buck to allow the administration to corrupt the goals.
  4) EFFECTIVENESS RATE.—The ‘‘effectiveness rate’’, in the case of a border sector, is the percentage calculated by dividing the number of apprehensions and turn backs in the sector during a fiscal year by the total number of illegal entries in the sector during such fiscal year
  Ho do you know how many actually cross the border? If you counted them you could stop them. So basically the “secretary” gets to make a guess based on a formula that administration can twist anyway they want. Once again you assume that we TRUST these people. No percentage is valid if you don’t know what the total is.
  HIGH RISK BORDER SECTOR.—The term ‘‘high risk border sector’’ means a border sector in which more than 30,000 individuals were apprehended during the most recent fiscal year.
  So how do you keep a boarder from becoming high risk? Don’t catch them! Or don’t count them!
  SOUTHERN BORDER FENCING STRATEGY.— The term ‘‘Southern Border Fencing Strategy’’ means the strategy established by the Secretary pursuant to section 5(b) that identifies where fencing, including double-layer fencing, should be deployed along the Southern border.
  Why this love affair with the Secretary who has told us that the border is already secure. The country doesn’t trust this person with our safety or our borders. I know you will say, well she has the job and was approved by the senate. But WE DON’T TRUST HER.
  (b) BORDER SECURITY GOAL.—The Department’s border security goal is to achieve and maintain effective control in high risk border sectors along the Southern border.
  How about effective control of the whole border. The human smugglers have already proven that they are more flexible than our border protection efforts. They move, as soon as we get effective in an area they move to another area. If the whole border isn’t controlled than this is clause useless. So the department’s goal must be complete control or it is more government sleight of hand.
  (c) TRIGGERS.— 1) PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS FOR REG ISTERED PROVISIONAL IMMIGRANT STATUS.—Not earlier than the date upon which the Secretary has submitted to Congress the Notice of Commencement of implementation of the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy and the Southern Border Fencing Strategy under section 5 of this Act, the 11 MDM13313 S.L.C. Secretary may commence processing applications for registered provisional immigrant status pursuant to section 245B of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as added by section 2101 of this Act
  So we come to when the will the amnesty process start. It is based on when this Secretary who we don’t trust decides that she has accomplished the goals we allow her to establish. Based on the statistics we let her define. Based on security she can manipulate and a department goal that doesn’t even cover the full boarder. So what we are really saying is, “as soon as she can do an adequate job of faking it”.
  Next to summarize C part 2: When the Secretary notifies the President and Congress that she has accomplish these faked objectives we get lift off! No approval by Congress that the objectives were valid and accomplished. Not final approval by Congress to proceed.
  SEC. 4. SOUTHERN BORDER SECURITY COMMISSION. (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—If the Secretary certifies that the Department has not achieved effective control in all high risk border sectors during any fiscal year beginning before the date that is 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act, not later than 60 days after such certification, there shall be established a commission to be known as the ‘‘Southern Border Security Commission’’ .
  Waste of paper. It won’t happen, so this commission is just a feel good clause to make the poor, stupid conservatives think that there is an escape clause.
  SEC. 5. COMPREHENSIVE SOUTHERN BORDER SECURITY STRATEGY AND SOUTHERN BORDER FENCING STRATEGY. (a) COMPREHENSIVE SOUTHERN BORDER SECURITY STRATEGY.— (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall submit a strategy…
  So she reports her plans but no approval or agreement on the plans is required. You just accept her plan, knowing that she can fake the statistics and it is all based on incomplete border control to begin with since she only has to control the “high risk” areas, which we know will shift around and can be faked. You would sit there and know that it was faked and not be able to do a thing about it. You have placed ALL control and measurement, all strategy and all reporting into the administrations hands. No company would do this; companies have auditors and others who are non-partisan to make sure that lies, fakes and bad statistics are found. You just trust the administration to be truthful and above board, to make strong border strategies, to measure them honestly and to report faithfully. We the people who elected you don’t trust that easily. Do your job, make the strategy yourselves, monitor it yourselves, report on it yourselves correct it as needed and don’t start amnesty until you know that the borders are truly secure. Put multiple check points in where YOU have control to approve progress or not. If we as a nation elect a bunch of open border people into the Senate and House than we will have to live with it. But don’t put all the power in the “Secretary’s” hands and expect an honest outcome.
  (v) PENALTIES FOR FALSE STATE MENTS IN APPLICATIONS.—Fines collected under section 245F(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as added by section 5 2212(a).
  No fine, DEPORTMENT for false statements. The punishment must be strong enough that no one would take a chance on falsifying their statement.
  (ii) $2,000,000,000 shall be made available to the Secretary, during the 10 year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act, to carry out programs, projects, and activities recommended by the Commission pursuant to section 4(c) to achieve and maintain the border security goal specified in section 3(b);
  So does this money not get allocated if the commission isn’t established? I already made the connection that the commission is pretty unlikely to happen.
  (3) MEMBERSHIP.— (A) IN GENERAL.—The DHS Task Force shall be composed of 26 members, appointed by 25 the President
  Ah the auditors that I mentioned earlier, but appointed by the person being audited. How about having this task force being appointed by various entities. Border States, Tribes that have borders with Mexico or Canada, the military, maybe even someone from Mexico and Canada. Let Governors appoint local elected officials, local law enforcement and local business representatives. The President can appoint civil rights advocates, education representatives, faith and boarder patrol. If this group is going to be attempting to monitor and control the “Secretary” than they need greater powers. My suggestion would be for this group (after having the local governments pick at least 50%) have approval of the strategies, milestones and measurement methods BEFORE the Secretary sets them as final. Approval means that they can reject and recommend alterations and until there is agreement the strategies are not set. This committee should be in effect until the border is deemed secure and stable and have the power to recommend changes to congress not to the “Secretary”.
  ‘(b) ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—An alien is not eligible for registered provisional immigrant status unless the alien establishes, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the alien meets the requirements set forth in 9 this subsection.
  Very vague and likely most who come after 12/31/2011 will have no trouble getting whatever “documentation” is needed. You have just created a whole new industry “faking presence”. It will be right up there with identity fraud, false driver’s licenses and other simple to manipulate rules. But I guess that what we should really say is whoever, whenever, take all comers. This is why conservatives wanted effective border control before amnesty. We are talking about people who have already broken the law so faking their residency is not going to be a problem. I guess again you had to at least make it look like you were attempting to placate conservatives,
  (B) WAIVER.— 24 ‘‘(i) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary may waive the application of subparagraph 67 MDM13313 S.L.C. 1 (A)(i)(III) or any provision of section 212(a) that is not listed in clause (ii) on behalf of an alien for humanitarian purposes, to ensure family unity, or if such a waiver is otherwise in the public interest.
  To vague, put in family unity period. If it is for humanitarian reason than have them go through a sanctuary hearing just like someone who wants to enter the country for humanitarian reasons. Again, we don’t trust the Secretary!!!!!! She has been caught in too many lies and twisting statistics. If you believed her you would just state that the borders are secure and chop out the whole part of this law that deals with border security. Since you obviously know she isn’t trust worthy why do you keep giving her the ability to do whatever she desires?
  (2) PAYMENT OF TAXES.— ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—An alien may not file an application for registered provisional immigrant status under paragraph (1) unless the applicant has satisfied any applicable Federal tax liability. ‘(B) DEFINITION OF APPLICABLE FEDERAL TAX LIABILITY.—In this paragraph, the term ‘applicable Federal tax liability’ means all Federal income taxes assessed in accordance with section 6203 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.
  I wonder what percentage makes enough wages to have any tax liability. Well they get earn income credits? Later in the law you refer to no benefits, but is earned income part of the laws being refered to? Why can’t you just state we benefits that can’t get outright in language we can understand?
  Why not state taxes as well, they used plenty of state services while here.
  I think again you know that a large percentage will have no federal tax liability so this is another attempt to make the bill “fell good” but in reality is smoke and mirrors. If you are giving them income credits you just likely put the national dept further into the realm of “impossible to pay back”.
  ‘(3) APPLICATION PERIOD.—
  Why not just make it 2 ½ years. You know the extension will be needed since there is no way she will attempt to get it done in 1 year.
  (B) FAMILY APPLICATION
  No mention of proof of family. So just declaring that a person is married? How about paternity testing of children. I can see it now, cross the border now, find an illegal who has been here since 2011 and claim to marry them or to be their child and you are in like gold.

  At this point I must stop. It is again a law not readable by a normal person. Long ago there were laws put in place that forced insurance companies to make readable policies and courts could invalidate a clause if it wasn’t understandable by a reasonably educated insured. You have this almost 900 page law, which refers to numerous other laws and you offer us the opportunity to comment on it. Knowing that we will go insane attempting to do so.
  So you will only hear from people who can just say AGGGG or from lawyers in the pay of special interest groups (on both sides). You send out talking points and give the highlights (why don’t you just state that if you like your doctor you can keep them, or this will cut the national dept like Obama did with the health care law.
  

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  Valerie Williams

  05/05/2013 10:45 PM

  Amnesty does NOT work. It's bringing in even more illegals already. IF you MUST grant amnesty, PLEASE close all borders FIRST!!! No frence -- no amnesty! You may get the hispanic vote at your next election, but you won't get the white vote if you go ahead with the bill as is (unless you quit being a RHINO and become a Democrat).

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  lorraine wood

  05/05/2013 10:36 PM

  America have alway had to take on the world, we are tired and we need people in office that loves America and stop this flow of people coming in - STOP IT AND SEND THEM BACK WITH THE GANG OF EIGHT WITH THEM-would never vote for you

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  William D. Dean

  05/05/2013 10:32 PM

  Senator Rubio,
  Why give the money of hard working taxpayers to criminals, and that is what illegals are, criminals. Absolutely no immigration bills should even be talked about until the borders are 1,000% secure even if it takes a couple of Army Divisions. Then no amnesty to people that are still in this country. Millions did it the proper way, why can't these new people do it the same way?